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You mean, Batman Adventures #34-36? They certainly brought new meaning to partners in crime. I will have to do a proper feature of this story arc – it’s wonderful, funny, heartbreaking stuff. I especially love the body language – you can see the conflicting emotions of Selina’s guilt and pleasure in just a few panels here already.
Thanks for the question, anon. :)
Have you read Batman/Superman #13 yet? Did you spot a certain Easter egg? :)
Catwoman breaking into cars, since, well ... the beginning.
From Batman (v1) #397 & Detective Comics (v1) #845
Hi! I love your site I go on it almost everyday. But there's something that I want to know. I feel sometimes I'm the only person who liked having catwoman in the JLA. I know the comic wasn't the best ever written and I felt the story line was rushed, but I liked the team. DC could have had done more with it. So am I crazy for liking catwoman in the JLA?
Thank you, I am so glad you enjoy the site!
No, you are not “crazy” for liking Catwoman in JLA. It is OK to like a work of art, so long as you consider/acknowledge your own or other people’s concerns with it and/or its creator. That was my main gripe with the last anon: the correlation that if you like something that’s perceived to be problematic/oppressive/harmful it means you are stupid/crazy/wrong, and how dare you like it!
This is something we should think about with all media we consume though – why do I like this book/film/TV show/art/person? And what does that say about me? How will this new self-awareness change the way I consume other media? I think reflection is the way to go rather than defence; sometimes afterwards you’ll find that you don’t like the work as much as you did, or that despite its flaws you still like it; at least you’ve reflected on it and recognised its faults and its merits – that is more important.
We all have “that line” we can’t cross where you just cannot read/watch something for its oppressive crap no matter how much value/entertainment you get out it, but that line is always different, depending on our backgrounds, life experiences or standards. We all have different triggers and sensitivities. In an ideal world we’d be able to consume bigotry-/marginalisation-free media, but there is so little of THAT in our society that we have to compromise. It’s something many of us grapple with daily, yet just as many remain oblivious to that struggle. So it’s important that we talk about it candidly but meaningfully, that we listen to other people’s viewpoints, and that we don’t derail/gaslight them, especially when they call us out on something. It takes work.
(On the subject of JLA, I actually enjoyed the first couple of issues, marvelled at how even Geoff Johns got more of a semblance of Selina’s voice in a few sentences than the writers of her actual title could in an entire story arc, but then lost interest in the plot AND David Finch’s art got weirder. The unusual team-up is definitely the best highlight of JLA!)
Are people like you really unaware that The Wydening Gyre was written to hurt Batman-Catwoman shippers and drive you from the fandom? It's part of a bunch of stuff from that period like Helena Kyle and Damian and Gotham Sirens and Arkham City. What is wrong with you that you don't know when somebody sucked you in to spit on you, and you turn around and celebrate it.?
No, “people like me” are not “unaware”, but that doesn’t mean this blog just celebrates BatCat; it freely critiques and/or highlights the problematic elements as well, at my own discretion.
I think it was several months ago – maybe a year? – but someone asked about identifying a particular scene I wasn’t sure about, until someone correctly named it, so I posted it for reference. Obviously someone’s just dug it up again recently.
I am fully aware of The Widening Gyre’s depiction of misogyny, relationships, and violence – it is ridiculous, contrived nonsense, but at least it doesn’t at all pretend to be serious, and I still enjoy some parts of it (except that last issue though, IIRC that was truly horrific tripe). It certainly wasn’t as insulting as the current proportion of rubbish in the New 52 (and who’d have thought we’d be saying that – incidentally, I still prefer “that period” to what’s going on now). So to me it’s a lesser of two evils. Of course that’s entirely a subjective POV – you certainly don’t have to agree, and I am sorry if you are hurt by the post/s.
However, I deeply take issue with your implication that people cannot like problematic or controversial media (and let’s face it, ALL media is full of bullshit in varying quantities), and that if people like said media it inherently means there is something “wrong” with them. Because that kind of thinking is grossly naive, not to mention offensive. I was furious with and disgusted by the sex scene in the New 52 Catwoman, among many other things, but I have never gone around shaming people for liking it or posting graphics of it. I have even had amiable discussions with BatCat fans who did enjoy that particular Catwoman run. I don’t generally highlight it on the blog, nor do I support it, but who am I to police the media that other people consume and enjoy?
Pop culture is full of harmful and disrespectful ideologies, attitudes, and themes, and it can be the hardest to acknowledge those problems when it’s something we enjoy from our particular vantage of privilege. But to demonise and bully someone for their interpretation rather than engaging with them and opening a dialogue for discourse – I’m going to have to wonder what’s wrong with you.
And on that note, here’s a great article on how to be a fan of problematic things!
—Batman #62 (1950) cover by Win Mortimer
Camren Bicondova and David Mazouz with fellow GOTHAM cast members at Warner Bros. Television Photo Studio at ComicCon on Friday July 25, 2014.
What do you think it is that sets Selina apart from the other women that Bruce has loved? What does she have that the others don't?
A question I am often asked and always glad to answer! I wrote a long-winded response here, but to put it simply, no one understands the many facets of Bruce the way Selina does, and vice versa. Their backgrounds, values, and morals may clash, but fundamentally they are very similar people. It’s that balance they have that ensures their relationship is forever engaging and enduring, whether they are together or not.
I like Jonathan Nolan’s description of their relationship – I think he highlights the crux of why they work together so well:
In a weird way, she’s the yin to his yang. The dynamic between them is so fresh — the playful way she kind of pokes fun at him — it sparks a connection between them and takes some of the sombreness away from his character.
(Though it really should be her yang/light to his yin/dark)
That’s not even considering how iconic a character Selina is, right next to the Joker. Their history is long and rich; if you hear about Batman, you would not be far away from hearing about Catwoman either. She’s been with him almost since the very beginning, and that offers a lot of variety and nuance in the many depictions of their relationship.
Bruce and Selina
Batman Returns/The Dark Knight Rises
If you combined the two scenes together you would have the perfect mix of sexual and romantic tension.
I just wanna say that there was no sexual tension between Hathaway and bale because there was no chemistry. Keaton and Pfeiffer’s scene had PALPABLE tension. Their chemistry on and off screen was discernable.
Hence my saying combining both. What Bale and Hathaway lacked in sexual chemistry, they made up for with their restrained back and forth banter that recalls a Golden Age / old romantic classic. Either way, still a homage to the very best of their ineffable dynamic.